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Each handwheel has laser engraved aluminum handwheel collars. Swing Over Bed3.50″ (90 mm). Hole Through Spindle.405″ (10 mm). Swing Over Carriage1.75″ (45 mm). Distance Between Centers8.00″ (200 mm). Travel of Crosslide4.25″ (110 mm).Brand: Sherline$127.62 shippingType: LathesCustoms services and international tracking providedUnimat 3 Mini Round Table & 3 Clamps w/ bolts
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Model 4100 3.5″ x 8″ lathe and standard accessories PLUS Live Center. Swing Over Bed3.50″ (90 mm). 15″ (381mm) steel bed to allow 8″ (203mm) between centers. 3-pc 1/4″ HSS Cutting Tool Set (LH, RH, Boring).Brand: Sherline$139.88 shippingType: LathesCustoms services and international tracking providedSHERLINE 4000A 3.5' X 8' LATHE (INCH) + The 'A' Package (METRIC search PN 4100A)
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<p>Monarch Machine Co Convex Concave Lathe Shaper Radius Ball Turner Set C307. Condition is New. Shipped with USPS Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box.</p><br><p>Came to me with the original 1972 newspaper packaging.</p>Type: Lathes$46.52 shippingCustoms services and international tracking providedSHERLINE 4100-B 3.5' X 8' LATHE (METRIC) + the 'B' Package (INCH SEE PN 4000B)
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Miyano vs Mazak, Okuma, Nakamura, Mori
Hey guys, wanted to bounce something off you guys to get your thoughts on some lathes.
Our shop is currently running (6) Nakamura Tome TW-10 machines that are aging, and do not have the live tooling and Y-axis capability that we need to get completed parts we are currently running. We are looking to replace one of these TW-10s with another twin turret, twin spindle machine that has live tools and Y-axis. We've been shopping around for about 3 weeks now and have gotten quotes from Miyano (BNA42DHY), Mazak (HyperQuadrex), Okuma (LT2000 EX), and a Nakamura (WT-100).
We have been leaning towards the Miyano simply because none of our turned parts exceed 1.75', and we are doing runs of about 500 parts per run with bar loaders. It's been very tough to find decent reviews on the Miyano brand compared to the other guys. Mazak has got a great looking machine, however we worry about long term service, and buying a machine that has more capability than we need (additional Y on second turret, 2.5' bar capacity, etc.). We like the Nak, however one thing that concerns us is the way the live tooling is driven. Nakamura places their driving motor for the live tooling outside the turret, which became an issue in one of our 98 TW-10's because the system does not stay rigid over time. We get a lot of chatter when we try and use it. Everyone else seems to be placing the motor in the turret itself, and driving the tooling direct. Would love to know what your thoughts on this issue are.
Here are the prices we've received for these machines:
Miyano - $245,000; includes new 12' barloader, live tools, chip conveyor, and 2 year warranty
Mazak - $312,000; includes coolant through spindle, chip conveyor
Okuma - $300,000
Nakamura - $269,000; does not include anything
We have not approached Mori yet, but we probably will next week just to look at all possibilities. Money is not a driving factor, however if we can save $80K on a machine, that's $80K we can put towards another machine tool.
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I've not been around a Miyano in 20+ years, but the one I ran for a couple years was a very good machine. A lot can change in 20+ years though.
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Ran a Miyano many years ago. Pretty good machine.
Check out a Doosan Lynx 220LSYA. 2' bar capacity with 6000rpm,sub-spindle,and Y axis. Approximately $140K.
It also has a 12 station turret with half index capability so you can mount 24 tools. Best of all it comes loaded with turret blocks and 4 live tool holders. Its ready to run without having to spend extra cash for tool blocks!
Our Lynx220 does a great job for us. - Stainless
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I'm a bit confused about what the thru spindle coolant on the Mazak is.
Does it come with coolant thru live tools?
Or just making the standard coolant sound fancy? - Plastic
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Not sure but if it does have coolant thru live tools the live tool blocks cost a pretty penny.
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The Hyperquadrex is a pretty solid machine. Fast and rigid. Don't know about the other machines you've mentioned, though, as we don't have any.
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IME, I have run them all but the Miyano including an NZ which is Moris version. It all depends on the work you do and how you do it really, and we don't know that stuff. What stands out to me is the footprints. Mazak is a tiny footprint for the capacity, Okuma and Nak are about the same but the NZ is a monster just a guess......probably 16x10' without a barfeeder. In the past I have steered away from Mazatrol but gotta say recently I am sure liking it quite a lot. If you are programming with CAM that needs to be really evaluated if looking at Okuma, they have a conversational option called IGF, also they have their own desktop CAM called Admac. The Nak as you know is fitted with a Fansuc control but it's good steel in my opinion. I have heard good things about Miyano. Maybe the most important thing to consider is service, if already running Nakamura's then you all ready have an opinion on that in Florida. Another thing to consider is tooling up, to tool up an NZ is very easily another 100k and another 50k if you want all the fun stuff. Good luck.
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@ Ed they are plumbing coolant through the live tool spindle standard would be external, so if you run live those line lock plumbing systems don't work so great when the tool is turning.
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Miyano vs Mazak, Okuma, Nakamura, Mori
For the price of the Mazak HyperQuadrex, you're getting close to the Mazak Multiplex, which is basically two machines in one.
And with two identical spindles mated with their own turret, and automatic part transfer between the spindles, a Multiplex will eat the HyperQuadrex's lunch on the right type of parts.
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. Makes me feel a little more comfortable if we decided to go with a Miyano. I will check in with Doosan to see what they have to offer since that seems to be a name I keep seeing popping up in many threads as a go to machine.
As far as service goes, Miyano is now owned by Citizen, and Miyano's are being marketed as slightly bigger Swiss machines in the Citizen line. I feel a small amount of additional comfort in that Citizen is willing to back up the Miyano line with their name and service. Another pro for the Miyano, is that the paired bar feeder is also a Miyano line barloader, and the service includes the marriage of both the loader and machine. So not having to deal with two separate entities on that is a bonus.
If anyone has anything additional to add, please keep going... this thread has really given me some good info to look at.
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It's quite a jump to go from 2-axis lathes to twin turrets with live tooling, which are essentially 8-9 axis machines. Single turret machines with Y and sub are roughly 30% less than the numbers you've shown there. How much will your shop benefit from a second turret? Do you foresee main/subspindle utilization around the 50/50 mark or is it closer to say, 90/10? Do any parts require tailstock support? A second turret works great for that while still having a subspindle to get the part 'done in one' (setup).Originally Posted by SwissCheeseOur shop is currently running (6) Nakamura Tome TW-10 machines that are aging, and do not have the live tooling and Y-axis capability that we need to get completed parts we are currently running. We are looking to replace one of these TW-10s with another twin turret, twin spindle machine that has live tools and Y-axis.
Also consider that for roughly the same price premium from a single to twin turret, you can take it a step further and get into the realm of B-axis multi-tasking machines with 5-axis milling. The Capto ATC on these bad boys can take setup changeover time down to near-zero, and the milling capability matches that of a VMC. In the right environment, the ROI can cover the price premium rather quickly, and it'll open your shop to 5-axis and 3+2 work. - Aluminum
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I'm not understanding this post. A Hyperquadrex has two spindles, and two turrets, which can work on either spindle or both at the same time which gives it a big advantage (i.e. pinch milling, pinch turning). Don't get me wrong, the Multiplex is great, but it would have to be quite the special part for a Multiplex to beat a Hyperquadrex. Also, the Multiplex's sliding headstock is a weak point of the machine for a few reasons. I have a feeling Mazak will be phasing out the Multiplex, or at least won't continue to update it, for example, they most likely won't ever make a Multiplex with the new Smooth control. Maybe you have a good example of where a Multiplex beats a Hyperquadrex? Just genuinely curious I guess (not trying to be an a$$). Both are good machines, though.Originally Posted by cnctoolcatFor the price of the Mazak HyperQuadrex, you're getting close to the Mazak Multiplex, which is basically two machines in one.
And with two identical spindles mated with their own turret, and automatic part transfer between the spindles, a Multiplex will eat the HyperQuadrex's lunch on the right type of parts.
ToolCat Greg
On a side note, the feedback I've heard from people who've ran the Miyano twin turret machines have said they're lighter duty, and slower rapids than the comparable Hyperqudrex's. The Miyano's are certainly benefiting from the Citizen merger (better controls, and probably better support). Miyano's also have superimposition functionality that most twin turret machines don't have (again, probably a benefit from the Citizen merger?).
B-axis machines are nice if you understand their quirks (and there are a few), but for the time you make up for in lower setup times you'll lose in general turning cycle time (due to tool changes). Milling will certainly be better on mill/turn machines, though. This may or may not be a pro or a con, just something to think about with your situation and your part mix.
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Not sure if your talking out of your ass or not, but if your concern is toolchange time on a B axis machine, as apposed to another set up on a completely different machine to finish a part? My vote is for one set up. Hyperquadrex is not the same machine as a Multiplex, Yamazaki is not a stupid companyOriginally Posted by EM112358I'm not understanding this post. A Hyperquadrex has two spindles, and two turrets, which can work on either spindle or both at the same time which gives it a big advantage (i.e. pinch milling, pinch turning). Don't get me wrong, the Multiplex is great, but it would have to be quite the special part for a Multiplex to beat a Hyperquadrex. Also, the Multiplex's sliding headstock is a weak point of the machine for a few reasons. I have a feeling Mazak will be phasing out the Multiplex, or at least won't continue to update it, for example, they most likely won't ever make a Multiplex with the new Smooth control. Maybe you have a good example of where a Multiplex beats a Hyperquadrex? Just genuinely curious I guess (not trying to be an a$$). Both are good machines, though.
On a side note, the feedback I've heard from people who've ran the Miyano twin turret machines have said they're lighter duty, and slower rapids than the comparable Hyperqudrex's. The Miyano's are certainly benefiting from the Citizen merger (better controls, and probably better support). Miyano's also have superimposition functionality that most twin turret machines don't have (again, probably a benefit from the Citizen merger?).
B-axis machines are nice if you understand their quirks (and there are a few), but for the time you make up for in lower setup times you'll lose in general turning cycle time (due to tool changes). Milling will certainly be better on mill/turn machines, though. This may or may not be a pro or a con, just something to think about with your situation and your part mix.
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I don't think I'm talking out of my ass? We don't know the OP's part mix, but if you're doing heavy milling with some turning than a mill/turn (Integrex) lathe is awesome, and you have the added benefit of low setup time. If you're doing more turning and higher volume then you'd obviously want to stick to the Multiplex/Hyperquadrex style machines (I'm just sticking to Mazak to simplify this conversation). Both styles are considered multi-tasking machines because they'll both do a part complete with no additional operations, but they have their niches. I guess I'm not sure what you meant by saying a Hyperquadrex and Multiplex were not the same machine (obviously they're not). I don't think I ever claimed that, nor did I claim Yamazaki was a stupid company. I've had the privilege to operate all three machines, but find almost all my time dedicated to Integrex's so I feel I have some knowledge on the subject, at least in regards to Mazaks. We're here to help the OP, and I felt that's what my post was doing. I meant no disrespect to cnctoolcat, just was curious what kind of part he could run faster on a Multiplex versus a Hyperquadrex, which again, I don't doubt him, just genuinely curious what the situation was.Originally Posted by litlerob1Not sure if your talking out of your ass or not, but if your concern is toolchange time on a B axis machine, as apposed to another set up on a completely different machine to finish a part? My vote is for one set up. Hyperquadrex is not the same machine as a Multiplex, Yamazaki is not a stupid company
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I make similar parts on my Doosan MX and my Hyundai WIA 1800TTSY. The Doosan has a lower 12 station turret and upper hear has the full B-axis with 40 tool changer. The Hyundai has dual turrets, both with live tooling and upper has y-axis. Setup time is much quicker on the MX. Switch programs, double check the tooling in the back of the machine ( for the B-axis) replace a few. Index some inserts for the lower head and boom machine is running. For the WIA I need to swap out tooling blocks, put in live tooling units. Put in the cutting tools, touch them off. For sure more time consuming and more chances for clearance issues and crashes. But once running the WIA is 30% quicker. Tool to tool on the turret is 1-2 seconds. Tool to tool on the MX is 8-10 sec.
I've owned and still own a lot of Miyano's. BND, BNE, BNH, LE, LL styles. From single spindle and single turret to dual spindle dual turret with upper y-axis. Good solid machines. I never had a new Miyano have more than 20 millionths runout on one of the spindles when new. Stiff and accurate. They hold up well and will give you many years of service. Full disclosure I never owned a Mazak, Okuma, or Mori.
Yes make sure when you buy the machine buy everything together as a package. The machine and barfeeded. So no finger pointing if they dont work together. Dont sign off on the machine until it has made a couple bar changes in both remanent extraction and also pushing remanent through the front. - Orange Vise, EM112358, SwissCheese liked this post
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A Hyperquadrex has two spindlesNot all Hyperquadrex's have two spindles, many have just a tailstock instead of a second spindle.
But yes, I agree, a twin-spindle Hyperquadrex will preform as well, if not better, than a Multiplex. It all depends on the type of parts you are machining. A Multiplex shines on shorter, smaller, complex parts requiring similar amounts of machining on both ends.
The Multiplex will have more options for automation and such as well, since it's been around since the late 80's.
The sliding-headstock design of the Multiplex is actually not a weaker design. By separating the Z-axis spindle movements from the X-axis of the turrets, the machine probably has a slight rigidity advantage over the Hyperquadrex, as each axis passes through only one set of linear rails and ballscrew to the frame, versus having both X- and Z- stacked together - like the turrets of most turning centers.
And for the sub-spindle Hyperquadrex machine, the sub travels in Z, in order to go over to the main spindle to grab the part.
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I think you are a little mislead on the weak milling on your TW machines, more than likely it is just wear of the live holder, and drive inside the turret, this WILL happen to any live tool lathe.
The WT100 has arguably the best milling capacity of the machines you listed, I wouldn't rule them out:
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So you would take the WT-100 over say a similar Mazak or Okuma?Originally Posted by Dave CrossI think you are a little mislead on the weak milling on your TW machines, more than likely it is just wear of the live holder, and drive inside the turret, this WILL happen to any live tool lathe.
The WT100 has arguably the best milling capacity of the machines you listed, I wouldn't rule them out:
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There is absolutely no way in hell I would take the Mazak over the Nakamura. You really need to look into service for the Mazaks, it is really terrible to non existent most places in North America. Find out from local user of Mazaks how satisfied they are with the service.Originally Posted by SwissCheeseSo you would take the WT-100 over say a similar Mazak or Okuma?
I can't comment on the Okuma, I have no idea what the quality of their live tooled lathes are like these days.
I think you should take one of your parts, a tricky part, with tight tolerances, to each of these companies and get them to do a time study for you. Go see the machines run in person taking the size of cuts that you want to take. Inspect the finish, tolerances, and get a good feel for the rigidity of the machines. - fpworksStainless
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I have nothing against Mazak...we have three of them and are very happy (Variaxis and two QTN-MSYs). Keep in mind there has recently been a big rearrangement of the Mazak sales/service in FL...don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing yet...
You won't lose with any of the machines you're considering...I think the support would be the biggest consideration.
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